Interview with Dr. Kerstin Dobers from Fraunhofer IML
"The scope is broadening"
What is the perception of green logistics? What challenges are there? Dr. Kerstin Dobers, Senior Scientist and Deputy Head of Department at Fraunhofer IML, answers these and other questions in an interview.
materialfluss: How seriously is the topic of green logistics currently being taken in Germany?
Dr. Kerstin Dobers: I would like to define the term green logistics once again, because sometimes people understand different things. We are talking here about the extent to which logistics is environmentally friendly, energy-efficient, circular, quiet, low-emission and the like. Green logistics is therefore only one part of sustainable logistics. That's what I focus on. In discussions and projects with companies, I have noticed that many are already taking a very differentiated approach to the topic: The approach is becoming much more in-depth. The scope itself is also getting bigger and bigger: when you think of green logistics, you traditionally think of energy and greenhouse gas emissions. But there are definitely more and more questions about resources and the circular economy. We are seeing a very differentiated approach and that companies really want to implement projects. It is no longer the case that the topic is just hype. In some places, I notice that there are still some very generalized questions. We need a bit more depth and clarification. Ultimately, that's what we offer.
mfl: In your opinion, what are the main reasons for companies to tackle the issue of green logistics?
Dobers: I think there are very different motivations involved. It's certainly a competitive point that you can't lose out because the topic of green logistics plays a role for many goods. Climate targets or the CSRD reporting obligation also have a supporting effect. A little external pressure is certainly not a bad thing. This gives companies or organizational units the opportunity to really tackle the issue. That's not to say that companies and employees don't want to push ahead with green logistics. Many see that we have to change something. We must not waste resources and we have a responsibility towards other suppliers, other regions and our own employees. What's more, energy is expensive these days.
mfl: What are the biggest challenges for the industry in actually implementing the topic of green logistics?
Dobers: Supply chains are highly complex with very different structures and players. It is not easy to organize a supply chain in a green way on the one hand, but also to find the best solution for one player on the other. And the dynamics of the market: we want to be environmentally friendly, but we still have to find flexible and resilient solutions. In some places, I have also noticed that the availability of green solutions is also a problem. This raises questions such as: Are energy sources available that the company can really purchase operationally? Is the required technology available? Personally, I have recently done a lot of research in the field of logistics real estate. Decisions have to be made that have a longer time horizon.
mfl: To what extent can technological innovations - such as artificial intelligence - help to make logistics and intralogistics even more sustainable in the future?
Dobers: Digitalization certainly helps to create transparency so that things can be planned, simulated and optimized in advance. When it comes to AI, it makes it possible to work quickly with large amounts of data, to present forecasts, trends and correlations and to derive recommendations for action and roadmaps based on this. Predictive maintenance is certainly also an issue, including in the area of the circular economy: here, it is possible to work towards extending the life cycle by intelligently predicting things. Other topics include route optimization and route optimization. Regardless of whether it is in the warehouse or on the road.
mfl: How does Fraunhofer IML support companies in promoting the topic of green logistics?
Dobers: That depends very much on who we work with. We advise very different companies, be it shippers, the actual manufacturers or logistics service providers, but also companies from the real estate sector. We try to identify the individual fields of action. This can be of a technological nature, for example, by jointly developing alternative manufacturing processes and products. We also discuss what can be made more circular in terms of the circular economy. We support companies in optimizing their supply chains and introducing reusable systems where it makes sense. What is very strong in my research environment is the methodology for assessing greenhouse gas emissions for logistics chains. We provided specific support in the development of ISO 14083. There, we focused on logistics locations so that these now have to be assessed alongside the actual transportation. Back in 2019, we developed the REff-Tool (R), an online tool that companies can use to assess the energy consumption and GHG emissions of logistics locations if they operate them themselves and therefore have access to primary data. We use this tool in our annual market studies and can prepare the GHG emissions at logistics locations transparently. We have also included a long list of possible measures on how energy efficiency can be increased and GHG emissions reduced at logistics locations. In this way, we are trying to help companies quantify their ecological impact. But we at Fraunhofer IML also help with workplace design when it comes to employee health. The design of order picking stations and the use of exoskeletons are two keywords here. The last mile is of course also an exciting topic for us: mobility and packing stations with the possibility of using alternative means of transportation for deliveries are part of our research work. This helps municipal companies and local authorities to become better in terms of sustainability.
mfl: What trends are emerging for green logistics in the future?
Dobers: Well, renewable energies are definitely an important topic. Whether there are new technologies is one question, but there is also still a need for action in terms of storage options. Because some things are not yet directly available, I think the buzzword "book and claim" is a trend that is now gaining ground. As long as there are not enough renewable fuels, for example, it would be possible to procure something elsewhere and have it attributed to us. Open source is also very relevant for the digitalization of logistics processes. In the context of green logistics, for example, we can mention data transfer along the supply chain, for example to monitor which resources a process or a company consumes and which emissions are associated with this. We are also working successfully with the Open Logistics Foundation in this area. I could also imagine that the resilience of supply chains will be another important topic. At the same time, sufficiency research is also important: we can make logistics green and resource-efficient, but the best logistics is actually the one that doesn't take place. We need to practise moderate consumption and develop moderate production strategies so that we can satisfy our needs without exceeding the ecological limits of our planet.
mfl: Thank you very much for the interview!











